If it was well written and had interesting characters following a compelling plot with a nice hook, sure.

>>6945250
Most of us already have. It was called Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

>>6945263

And guess why I didn't watch that beyond the first episode!

>>6945273

>>6945273
Because you were born without a soul.

>>6945273

Gurren-Lagann has top-notch writing, dude.

I only thing I know about that anime was from reading a thread on /co/ a while ago nerdraging on if that titty monster red-headed chick stayed a virgin throughout the whole series.

>>6945250

You mean a cartoon that looked like Dead Leaves? That'd be fantastic.

>>6945273
you're not Kosh. You're not Kosh at all.

>>6945263

Tengen Topa Gurren-Lagann wasn't in Imaishi's style as much as it was in Gainax style. Dead Leaves would be a more accurate depiction of Imaishi's style.

>>6945298
oh god please tell me you're trolling.

>>6945300
OH FUCK YEAH I'D WATCH THAT.

>>6945273
Because you have no attention span? Leaving at the first episode, is like leaving Lord Of The Rings before Frodo even leaves the Shire. Good stories take time to warm up.

>>6945297

People with nothing in common and no practical interest in one another banding together for no real reason to SAVE THE WORLD FROM SPIRAL ENERGY IN HUMAN DNA.

Yes, a classic.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to read about a young man who somehow gained spider abilities by being bitten by a radioactive spidOHMYGODALLCOMICSARECRAP.

>>6945250
If it was good.

>>6945358
Stop gettin' yer info from bad internet jokes and skimming over wiki descriptions.

>>6945358
>People with nothing in common...

They were all hopeless idiots that were afraid of conformism.

>SAVE THE WORLD FROM SPIRAL ENERGY IN HUMAN DNA.

Yeah, I can tell you failed to finish episode 1.

Also, premise has nothing to do with writing. You're a fucking retard.

>>6945330

No, see, Lord of the Rings MAKES you want to keep reading. It hooks you in and makes you want to find out whats going on.

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is the equivalent of Homer busting into Barts room late at night screaming "HEYBARTYOUWANNAWATCHMEDRILLHOLESANDSAVETHEPLANET" while he's dreaming about Sideshow Bob trying to kill him.

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann was only good for the first half. I liked the dynamic of the small crew in a wasteland, surviving and dealing with didn't themed beastmen.

2nd half had some good parts but it was a different setting and got depressing when hemanity turns out to be an ungrateful bitch.

TTGL was uncomplicated and fun. It was about bad-ass people doing bad-ass things with drills and willpower, saving the universe and etc...

There's not a lot of room about discussion because there isn't a lot of depth.

You either dislike it or don't.

>>6945377
>No, see, Lord of the Rings MAKES you want to keep reading. It hooks you in and makes you want to find out whats going on.

I don't know about you, but all the purple prose and fabricated language put me off reading it halfway through the first chapter.

Anyway, GL. It doesn't really have to be well-written or utilise deep relationships. It's just visually and emotionally entertaining stuff, like having a cheeseburger instead of buckshot liver. It's like, no-one ever ragged on Indiana Jones for being shallow fun. Except for the last film which just sucks. You get the point?

>>6945254
Do you mean to ask, would /co/ watch an anime?

>>6945372

Well, I am a wikiaddict. So I'll give you that.

I also used animecrunch to skim through the rest of it hoping the story got better! It didn't. FOR ME.

If you loved it? Great. Do yourself a favor and find one thing you didn't, just so you can wonder what the next great animation is.

I'm just callin' it how I saw it, and I'll be the FIRST person to admit that my point of view isn't the singular and final truth.

Good theme, poor execution. Thats all I'm gonna say.

>>6945377

That's pretty fucking stupid. Gurren-Lagann has clear themes that are developed from the first episode. It's a show with plenty of natural substance.
In the first episode we're introduced to Simon, an introspective boy that works as a digger to expand his underground village, and Kamina, a loud and reckless dreamer with crazy shades. In the first scene we witness Kamina getting Simon to help him with his attempt to ascend towards the world above, a place said to be nonexistent by their defeated and restrictive society, and thanks to this quirky set-up we're are introduced to the key ideas of the narrative. Through Simon's own nihilism we are able to understand the current state of humanity, hopeless and without expectations; through the village elder we get a first hint at the main motif behind the antagonists the heroes will struggle against, superiors of wisdom burdened by their own responsibility and with the intention to do whatever it takes to ensure the survival and well-being of their protectees; through Kamina's hot-headed sense of justice and rebellion we discover the will of the youth, the hopes that still exist in those that will still be born.The narrative is brilliantly simple, with a refreshing straight-forwardness to its sense of meaning yet delivering most of it through subtext to keep it professional.

>>6945410
The thing wrong with the series is that the ending was awful and it had a ridiculous time jump/style switch midway through the series.

Also the Spiral King should've been the main villain for the whole thing. I don't care about the rest of the storyline, that man was AWESOME.

>>6945412
>we're introduced to Simon, an introspective boy

What, to you, made him defined as introspective? My (SUBJECTIVE) view was he was a polarized character acting in a very typeset "I am different than everyone" way from the get go. This trend, to me carried on, espcially when we reach this part:

>Simon's own nihilism we are able to understand the current state of humanity, hopeless and without expectations; through the village elder we get a first hint at the main motif behind the antagonists the heroes will struggle against, superiors of wisdom burdened by their own responsibility and with the intention to do whatever it takes to ensure the survival and well-being of their protectees; through Kamina's hot-headed sense of justice and rebellion we discover the will of the youth, the hopes that still exist in those that will still be born.

Your entire DESCRIPTION of this was more compelling an interesting that the actual DEPICITON of this IN THE SHOW.

>>6945410
Meh I'm not claiming it to be amazing it's just dumb cool fun.
>>6945397
Hit the nail on the head.
>>6945412
Oh god shuuuuuuuuut up

>>6945400

But Riders of the Lost Arc wasn't shalow fun. Riders of the Lost Arc was clever and well-written fun. Like Gurren-Lagann. Gurren-Lagann is great because it features subtext and meaning to its crazy adventures. That's what makes it so memorable and remarkable. The story is an "everything has to end" take on the concept of progress. The quirks of the classic "coming of age" tale such as honoring your legacy, fear of change, breaking traditions, reciprocal individuality or burden of responsibility were only used as a way to bring this idea to a more personal level. The theme of generational conflict becomes clear from episode one.

From a history of failure, Jeeha village came to the belief that no future was possible for them in the surface. The way the dialogs deliver this idea is pretty neat. Characterization is delivered on two levels: the character and the idea behind the character. The village elder forbids Kamina from trying to break through the surface, but only because it is "his responsibility as leader of the village". Kamina's rebellion is not in defiance to authority, but him trying to fulfill a promise with his father. Doing the impossible was not so much doing the impossible as it was doing what was believed DUE TO FAILURE to be impossible. Progress was not so much a trying to destroy tradition but rather tying together the past with the future. Oppression was not so much the desire for power but rather a responsibility from those in power, from those that came before.

The writing works because there is substance to the conflict. That's what separates Raiders of the Lost Arc from the rest of the Indy franchise. That's what separates ET or Iron Giant from the generic "kid meets alien" stories. That's what separates Pixar movies from Dreamwork movies.

>>6945450
>it's just dumb cool fun.

I agree with you there. The animation WAS awesome, and the fights are well done.

But I mean, christ. Thats a dime a dozen.

I'd rather get something like Big O, where I'm being amused AND I'm also trying to figure out what the hell is going on in the world. NOT because I'm confused due to poor writing or techno/philsophical pseudoinformation, but because theres a clear mystery going on.

Its like Megas XLR, except focused on being EXTREME-DEEP rather than Lolrobots.

>>6945439
Used to think that as well, but I theorized maybe the creators wanted to expand the universe a bit more and have a 2nd Big Bad to end the series. The first was awfully straightforward and kind of short, with only 2-3 big events (death of Kamina and End, Nia if you want it to count).

With the time jump they pulled of 2 seasons in the end and the closed down the universe for good. It was nicely ended and probably everyone was satisfied.

The only that thing I disliked about the 2nd half was Rossiu. I probably never nerdraged so much in my entire life.

>>6945463
>WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS

So what else is ridiculously deep that we don't know about yet? OH MAN DO FLAPJACK

>>6945450

It's clever cool fun. That's why it works. If it was dumb cool fun it would be boring and uninteresting. The brain works on ideas, you need to keep the audience hooked through meaning. Gurren-Lagann handled themes and writing in subtext and that's why it is so good.

>>6945439

The ending was incredible.

>>6945441

That's because you're one of those modern kids that need everything spelt to them and can't understand proper storytelling.

>>6945463

Dear lord stop B^U'ing up the thread please.

>>6945479

>Its like Megas XLR, except focused on being EXTREME-DEEP rather than Lolrobots.

Actually, no. All of Gurren Lagann is an homage to the mecha genre, its tropes and all. Hotblooded protagonist, giant robots beyond all reasonable scale, et cetera. So quite the opposite of your statement.

>>6945480

Oh god yes. I wanted to punch Rossiu in the face so hard, and nearly hit my monitor on more than one occasion forgetting he wasn't actually in front of me. Such an utter douchebag.

But I mean, the tone of the series changed from "you can do anything if you're crazy/manly enough" wackiness to a more serious "mankind has the potential to accomplish anything".

>>6945486
Nia died for no damned good reason. And I totally didn't need to see old lady Yoko. But Simon was still badass.

>>6945485

I'd rather do Courage the Cowardly Dog. That cartoon was awesome.

>>6945479

Gurren-Lagann's writing was interesting, fun and incredibly well-done. You may not enjoy it, but you're not providing any kind of critisism that isn't "I don't like it because I don't like it".

most people just watched cuz yoko had a bouncy chest and they kept having good shots of it.

>>6945479
>I'd rather get something like Big O, where I'm being amused AND I'm also trying to figure out what the hell is going on
The irony here is that TTGL's EXTREME-DEEP plot and ending were both much more coherent than Big O's.

>>6945508

Gurren-Lagann's tropes are part of the central theme, though. They're like, natural quotations to drive the idea closer to home. It's about the passage of time, that's why the ideals of old-school super-robot shows become outdated after the time-skip and such.

>>6945491

Is it bad to argue with stuff different than "NO U"? I thought we /co/ were better than other boards because we could actually talk meta in meaninful ways.

>>6945513
>>the tone of the series changed from "you can do anything if you're crazy/manly enough" wackiness to a more serious "mankind has the potential to accomplish anything".

It did ramp up in the end but it was a natural evolution that fit in the theme of the series.

underground -> earth -> sky -> outer space -> dimensions

someone do punisher max!! Is frank a vision of the world that has gone awry and can only cope with it through violence in a cathartic reaction to the sins of a no longer virgin world?!

>>6945556
>meaningful

Fixed my typo.

>>6945537
>TTGL's EXTREME-DEEP plot and ending were both much more coherent than Big O's.
>>6945486
>everything spelt to them and can't understand proper storytelling

...So I'm both an ignorant smacktard who can't understand complex stories, and I'm a fringe loser who loves complex plots.

I'm confused.

...also why is everyone attacking me rather than the actual clearly subjective points I'm making ohgodohgodohgod.

>>6945556
>>6945537
>>6945524

Gurren Lagann was not deep. At all. Everything is on the table no SUPER HIDDEN MEANINGS or POWERFUL EMOTIONS. Everything is just there. It is shallow and emotional, that is WHY most people enjoy it.

People that cry OMG DEEP are the same people who probably hang around Hot Topic saying how much NIghtmare Before Christmas changed their lives and how deep it was.

Kosh is mostly wrong about his ideas about the show and the Anon arguing against that is just dumb. rargahbarbl

>>6945562
I get that it fit, and I still enjoyed it. It's just that I came into the serious along with absolute wackiness and over the top absurdities along the Kamina lines, and ended with giant robot evolution spouting philosophy at each other.

It went from one end of absurd to the other end of absurd. It was a good ride, but I still sort of wish it had just stayed the wacky adventures of Kamina and Simon.

>>6945588

Ad hominem attacks are what all the cool kids are doing these days, Kosh.

>>6945556

It reads like you spent three paragraphs saying the same thing - that Gurren Lagann had subtext that expanded upon the theme of the series and the relationships of the characters. It was overkill of the lingual nature.

>>6945595

I'm not saying it was deep. I'm saying it was clever, well-written and very professional.

>>6945588
whaddya know about writing anyway?!?

You aint even japanese!

You dont even have hands!

>>6945588
Because when you're making purely subjective arguments on the internet, there isn't much percentage in NOT skipping straight to ad hominem.

I mean, if we didn't do that, we'd have to concede that we're each entitled to differing opinions, and that way lies madness. Madness, and extreme boredom.

I just don't want to watch Gurren Lagaaan because the art's ugly and unappealing.

>>6945595
>Kosh is mostly wrong

...Wait, how can anyone be right or wrong when they're talking about wether they enjoyed a show or not, and why they didn't.

I'm. I'm lying to myself, and I actually did enjoy it?

ohgod who do i trust

>>6945617

You're ugly and unappealing.

>>6945600

But I'm talking about how this meaning it isn't deep as much as it gives the show a purpose in even the silliest moments. I'm talking about how this cleverness and subtext is what makes great narrative work. Like Raiders of the Lost Ark and Pixar movies and ET and Iron Giant and Miyazaki films. They're all straightforward. What makes them so well-loved? The subtext we all understand subconsciously.

>>6945588
>>...also why is everyone attacking me rather than the actual clearly subjective points I'm making ohgodohgodohgod.

- Because you're opinionated, which is totally your right
- More or less going against the flow of the thread which seems "/co/ loves them some TTGL it was alright and we accept it"
- Your posting using a name, title and have little teeny images of a character, which some people dislike on 4chan. Anonemoose and all that.

Power to you, Kosh. That's just how I see it.

http://akibanana.com/?q=node/1154

>>6945619
Stop lying to me, Kosh. Who will I be able to trust, if I can't trust myself?

Can't we just call kosh a faggot and let the thread end?

Some people like TTGL some people Don't.
It was a fun anime that is about it.

If you truely are such a pretension faggot that cannot just sit back and enjoy something for the sake of enjoyment I pity you.

>>6945622
>You're ugly and unappealing.

MY GOD HE'S RIGHT
THUS MY OPINION IS INVALID

>>6945619
I meant wrong with what you said the show is about.
>SAVE THE WORLD FROM SPIRAL ENERGY IN HUMAN DNA.

That stuff.

ohgodalsostopsayingohgodimdoingittooohgod

>>6945619

But you're not saying "I didn't enjoyed this show", you're saying "this show had bad writing because I didn't liked it". That's just plain stupid.

>>6945637
IM INSIDE THE HOUSE

>>6945647
You're opinion is invalid based more on the "I hate anime style therefore the show is ugly and sucks." There's nothing wrong with the "general anime style." It's not ridiculously stylized enough to be that unaesthetically appealing like Reign the conqueror or something.

Also, art doesn't determine the quality of something. Otherwise Lupin III comics would be WORTHLESS.

>>6945597
It would have been nice to see Kamina and Simon hang out a bit longer. But I think Kamina's death was such an important plot point essential to the story and character development, it wouldn't have been the same show. It was a shock to have this charismatic character die during the first part of the series. I think in part that's what was so different about TTGL.

Kamina's death ultimately changed the universe, by giving humanity the hope and willpower to accomplish the impossible, fight the invisible, etc. In the end, he surpassed Kamina by expanding on his brother's principles.

If Kamina hadn't died, Simon would have been irrelevant in his entirety and the series different.

>>6945640
>Can't we just call kosh a faggot and let the thread end?

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY, EVERYONE WINS!

>If you truely are such a pretension faggot that cannot just sit back and enjoy something for the sake of enjoyment I pity you.

YAAohgodimsosadnow

Kosh I love you, but you don't like TTGL. IT'S HARD TO LOOK PAST. This is like if your current awesome lover cheated on you. You want to stay with them cause they are awesome, but they cheated! Can you look past it? I mean, they might cheat again. Just like you might not like something I love, and can my heart handle it? I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN.

>>6945703
its /a/ thread, it was in the wrong place to begin with

>>6945703
LOL HE MADE A PICTURE!
THAT LOOKS LIKE ADVICE DOG HE IS INSTA WIN!

>>6945640
How is he pretentious for not enjoying something? Just because it's fun to watch for us doesn't mean it is for him. Get over yourself, your opinion is not the correct one.

>>6945703
Oh, Osh Kosh Bigosh, I love you. Let's have tea.

>>6945691
Did you...just use some of the song lyrics in your argument? Honestly?

And yes, it would have been an entirely different series. That's what I'm trying to get across. I wanted a Kamina and Simon: Fightin da Bandits and crazy hijinks series like it started off as.

I still love the series, but I would've liked that as well as all.

>>6945722
He reasons for not enjoying it are what makes him pretensions.
Maybe you need to read the thread over.

>>6945662
>But you're not saying "I didn't enjoyed this show", you're saying "this show had bad writing because I didn't liked it".

No, I'm saying "I didn't like this show because I percieved it to have bad writing and unrealistic telegraphed characters that I couldn't get intersted into".

That and the "I'm a pretension faggot" part.

>>6945706

THIS MARRIAGE IS OVER, ANON.

>>6945706
That's actually a terrible analogy.

It's more like if this guy you kinda knew didn't like a show you love. Sure, you kinda know him, and talk to him sometimes, and see him often....BUT HE HATES THAT SHOW HOW CAN YOU BE A MILD ACQUAINTANCE?!?!??!

Nice try though, brohammer.

>>6945730
I'm sorry, my sensors do not recognize the string of words you attempted to write. Allow me to use the auto correction analyzer in the system to approximate what you intended to type out.
...
..
.
Analysis complete.

What you had intended to say was:
>Disregard that. I suck cocks.

>>6945734
No it's a great analogy my lead brocalist. I know him in person, and he is even more awesome in person.

>>6945730

But the show has plenty of substance. He hates it because the substance isn't in his face and he prejudiced against the style.

>>6945730
Stop using that word. I read the thread, and he's not pretentious.

>>6945757
anon, no one is forced to like the same things as you, if someone dislikes the timing presentation then its enough for them to say its a bad show for them.

>>6945766
I'm sure you did...go along now and let the big boys work,.

To people talking about Dead Leaves:

Dead Leaves Character Designs/Animation/Storyboard/Original Idea: Imai Toons. In case you didn't know, that happens to be the nickname for Hiroyuki Imaishi.
Imai Toons.
Imaishi.
Puns.
Lol.

>>6945716
>THAT LOOKS LIKE ADVICE DOG HE IS INSTA WIN!

Baby, you know it.

>>6945730

Yeah, I guess they kinda are, in hindsight? Or maybe I'm just not picking up on what makes this an "epic deep well-written story" to others, and am blinded by what makes it a "flimsy mecha smash up with titties and science-fiction social commentary losely tacked on because it looks cool and we need seriouis validity".

...Its comments like that which make me a faggot, isn't it, /co/?

>>6945766

He is just using the wrong words. Saying "I don't enjoy it" is different from saying "it has bad writing because I don't like it". That's what makes him annoying. And then you coherently argue against him and he backtracks and says "IT'S MY OPINION DUDES, I ROCK".

>>6945772
You must be underage or foreign, because you are honestly just too stupid to be an of age American.

Is /co/ trying to force GL onto everybody again?

>>6945781

Yeah, but you're OUR faggot, Kosh.

>>6945783
>And then you coherently argue against him and he backtracks and says "IT'S MY OPINION DUDES, I ROCK".

Wait, what? No.

Dude, if you can show me the error of my ways, I'm all for it. THATS why I'm telling you WHY I don't like it...so OTHER people can tell me WHY they like it, and point out where I may be mistaken.

Or. Or just call each other faggots. And pretentious.

>>6945781

Yes, because they lack foundation yet you pass them("flimsy mecha smash up with titties and science-fiction social commentary losely tacked on because it looks cool and we need seriouis validity") as fact.

Stop being a faggot and say "I didn't enjoy it because I didn't enjoy it". Stop trying to justify your dislike of something popular with stupid arguments that make no sense.

>>6945783
I'm not sure I even half understood what you had tried to say there.

Just because you put words together in what looks like a sentence doesn't mean it's readable.

>>6945728
>I wanted a Kamina and Simon: Fightin da Bandits and crazy hijinks series
I liked it specifically because of how the scale, "maturity," and overall intensity of conflict kept ratcheting up as the series went on, without ever really plateauing.

Ironically, I disliked Trigun when it tried to do the same thing.

>>6945819
>as fact.

Actually, shit, no, that was bad wording on my part. I should have added "TO ME".

SAY WHAT YOU MEAN, KOSH.

>>6945816

But you're not providing examples on why you don't like the show. You pass statements that mean nothing as fact. That's what I mean. I argued with you plenty in this thread and you failed to provide a decent comeback.

>>6945827

Maybe because it had a funny character that suddenly tried to be serious, while the reverse occurs in this show?

ALRIGHT PEOPLE

There is only one solution.

CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im with kosh.

>>6945829

Better yet, stop trying to justify your own dislike of something popular and just say you don't like it. If you can justify your dislike with clever arguments and examples and proper arguing, go for it. If you're going to use ambiguous wording and subjective opinions, then don't do it and just say you don't like it.

Everything is subjective, but that subjective must have something objective to rely in.

>>6945831
>But you're not providing examples on why you don't like the show

...But I did? My perceptions of unrealistic character relationships? They had zero reason to hook up and fight adventure? It was never really ingrained as to WHY they had these strong attachments?

And I mentioned sci-fi elements/fights seemed to me to be focused upon more than the story?

What more did you want?

@ Kosh:

It's basically over the top robot fighting insanity with pure manliness for the first half of the series, and then definition on man's role in the universe for the second half. The overarching theme is that man can accomplish anything that he sets his mind to, and it's represented at first by simple things such as leaving home to make a name for yourself up to essentially being the driving force of the universe. The show tends to be pretty comical in its approach and the fight scenes are a lot of fun to watch.

I enjoyed it right from the get go, but you're entitled not to. Personally I give everything a three episode test myself before calling it quits, because on more than one occasion I've abandoned a show I didn't give a real chance, and then a friend talks me into checking it out again and I've ended up loving it.

So if you're still willing to even look in the general direction of the show after this thread, I recommend possibly giving it another shot, but if you choose not to I've got nothing against that.

You know what's fun about internet arguments?

Nobody ever wins. : )

>>6945873
>My perceptions of unrealistic character relationships?

Examples.

>They had zero reason to hook up and fight adventure?

Examples.

>It was never really ingrained as to WHY they had these strong attachments?

Examples.

>And I mentioned sci-fi elements/fights seemed to me to be focused upon more than the story?

Examples

>What more did you want?

Examples that support your subjective opinion.

>>6945848
Don't you be startin' dat round here!....

>>6945873
The two main characters grew up together, so they share that bond. The girl they join up with and a couple of the others that they end up joining with are all freedom fighters. So they're all on the same faction and they grow closer by travelling together.

That's really the best on that end of an explanation I've got to offer.

If you don't share my opinion you're terrible, bad, wrong, and I hate you.

>>6945838
Which characters in TTGL started out serious but became funny as the show went on? I mean, the level of conflict scales to the point where it's almost -- okay, completely -- absurd, but the script treats it just as seriously as the earlier, more down-to-earth battles.

I think my problem with Trigun was the transition. It seemed a lot more jarring. I think the timeskip in GL may have actually made it easier for me to roll with the shift in tone.

PLEASE DON'T READ THIS. You will get kissed on the nearest possible Friday by the love of your life. Tomorrow will be the best day of your life. However, if you don't post this comment to at least 3 threads, you will die within 2 days. Copy and paste this, to be saved.

>>6945877
>The overarching theme is that man can accomplish anything that he sets his mind to, and it's represented at first by simple things such as leaving home to make a name for yourself up to essentially being the driving force of the universe.


What? No. The theme of the show is that everything has to end. It's a show about generational conflict, the old against the new, young versus old and the passage of time. The "YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT" is a super-robot quirk.

So we all just accept everyone loving it and never ask them for examples of why they love it, yet when someone says they don't like it, and they give reasons, it's not enough. You are a bunch of faggots.

Especially this guy. This guy right here takes the cake. He takes it and eats it all with his big faggotry mouth.
>>6945893

PLEASE DON'T READ THIS. You will get kissed on the nearest possible Friday by the love of your life. Tomorrow will be the best day of your life. However, if you don't post this comment to at least 3 threads, you will die within 2 days. Copy and paste this, to be saved.

But the love of my life lives across the country.

>>6945915
I thought that was the underlying one?

Well they're both present, though. But yeah I can see how that one is probably dominant, actually.

>>6945927

I gave plenty of reasons of why is it well-written in this thread:

>>6945463
>>6945412

Yet Kosh looks like he failed to watch the first episode of the show.

>>6945943
Firstly, no.

Secondly, no.

One word: Poopy-dick.

>>6945893
>>6945896
> The girl they join up with and a couple of the others that they end up joining with are all freedom fighters. So they're all on the same faction and they grow closer by travelling together.

THIS. EXACTLY. WHY.

I mean, christ. Pokemon. Ash broke Misty's bike. So thats why she sticks with him at first. Over time, it becomes more.

Cause and effect.

G-L: "Yo, the world sucks. Lets change it." "Lol, k." "Also, robots." "AWESOME."

I guess MAYBE I find the bond of mutual struggle just too over the top in the context of their world? We've got pretty extreme cases of human beings being dicks here.

...

...I just basically suggested that Pokemon is more deep than Gurren-Laggan.

Yeah, I'm stupid.

>>6945957
>G-L: "Yo, the world sucks. Lets change it." "Lol, k." "Also, robots." "AWESOME."

This a strawman argument. Do you find it funny to write strawman arguments? Oversimplification to make a point is stupid, stop doing it or you're going to look stupid.

>>6945968

I honestly don't feel thats a misrepresentation. Thats LITERALLY how I felt watching the show.

That comes from my own like. Collective sphere of influence, experience, and education and all.

But thats the gist of what I saw when I watched it.

>>6945968
>Yeah, I'm stupid.

He admitted to being stupid in his post. And if you know Kosh even a littel, you know that he has no problem looking stupid.

>>6945957
Well if it's good enough for Star Wars/Lord of the Rings/etc....

And it's only a small faction that starts off with that, and it's initially just Leeron and YOko that follow them. Later on the others begin to follow Kamina based on how he's shown that the Beastmen can be defeated, and he's set an example by taking over a ganmen and such. The others begin to respect him and he eventually becomes the leader of their platoon. So the reason they're banded together on the general scale is a sort of militaristic one, but the interpersonal character connections do still develop. Kinda...exactly how you kinda figure they would though.

>>6945980

I draw MS Paint Vorlons, kinda late for that.

But no, seriously. Thats how I'd sum up MY experience of G-L. I'm not claiming thats how it INTENDED to be sounded, so its not a strawman arguement.

Its an expression of...experience? I guess that'd be the way to phrase it.

>>6945968
But its a GOOD strawman argument.

Thats how the show goes from there.

>>6945979

But you're using strawmans to make a point. It doesn't matter if you feel them to be accurate or not, you must use the actual material to argue against the material. Strawmans are the example of a weak mind.

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i have to admit i agree with kosh, shows that start off in those simplistic manners more oftenly than not turn me off.

>>6945979
It's basically how I feel about the show too, but for me it's a good thing. Like I said, it comes down to the person. You're allowed to not like it, despite what everyone else says here, and it's far from my favorite series.

>>6945250
yes

>>6945991

ITS NOT A STRAWMAN ARGUMENT UNLESS YOU'RE SAYING THATS A GENERALIZATION OF THE SUM TOTAL OF THE SHOW FFFFFFFFFFFFF

I meant that as an interpretation of how I SUBJECTIVELY FELT THE SHOW WAS.

>>6945991

Not at all. People join Kamina because he is stupid and able to do what they consider impossible. They don't join him out of good will, they join him because they see he is achieving heroic feats.

>>6945990

Experience is not a valid critique. That's weak reasoning.

>>6946013
damint kosh. stop posting. its just more fuel for the fire.

How to troll /co/: Say you hate their favorite animu

>>6946006

No, that's not how the show goes. People join Kamina because they're impressed by his achievements. They're tired of living in fear and Kamina gives them an opportunity to get control of their lives once again. They're not fighting to save the world, they're fighting because they're tired of their existance as lowly creatures.

>>6946031
>How to troll /co/: Have opinions

>>6946044

So it's a bit like Dead Leaves.

>>6946020
>Experience is not a valid critique

Well, yeah, true. But I'm not USING my experience as a critque, I'm using it to show specifically why I personally didn't like it, so we can. Yaknow. Have a conversation about what we did/didn't like.

Not go "IM RIGHT/YOUR WRONG"?

I'm saying THATS why I didn't like it rather than just going "shitsux". So you CAN, yaknow, critque my experience and share yours so I can examine it and you can examine mine.

...Basically, show me your dick.

>>6945934
>>6945915
I took the main theme to be a deconstruction of the traditional super-robot "With ambition and strength of will, a man can accomplish the impossible!" The generational conflict angle sort of subverts that, as does the idea that as you achieve more and more, eventually you will reach a point where your only credible enemy is your own success.

>>6946020
Why does it matter if you consider it to be weak reasoning? We're not critics here. We're average joes that enjoy comics and cartoons. There's no expected level of reasoning for us. And trust me, there are stupider reasons to hate this show than the ones Kosh presented. His aren't even bad, they're reasonable.

>>6946059
>YOUR
>YOU'RE

You drive me to grammatical errors and drink, /co/.

>>6946059
Moooooooooooooooooooooooom, there is a guy in the internet asking me to show him my dick again!

>>6946044
I already said that :(

I like how this topic is /co/ related.

I watched through all of TTGL and it was fun, but not something I'd call any kind of deep. It was over the top from the get go, the kind of thing you enjoy as a saturday morning cartoon, not a serious thoughtful discussion. It was all about 'How badass manly can somebody be?' 'How big can we make the robots?' 'How long can the explosions go on?'

It was fun, but not from depth of character relationships and not from any themes or subtext that happened to work their way in.

I got way more depth of character from Avatar, for example, despite the cast being put together in a pretty similar way over time.

Boy, I love the animu and mango board!

>>6946013
Well if that wasn't your intention, it certainly is mine. GL was a pretty bland story driven show with a pretty bland story . I think the only reason anyone from /co/ likes is for "LOL SILLY ROBOTS" and fanservice. But I dont want to get into this argument so I'm going back to bed.....

>>6946059

People joined Kamina and Simon because they were tired of their current lives. They wanted to be free and be able to roam the surface without worries. Kamina had the promise of a revolution. He was able to steal a ganmen. He was able to defeat a commander. People used to believe ganmen were only for the use of beastman, so when they saw Kamina using Gurren they thought to themselves "perhaps this guy can give us freedom". That's how Team Dai-Gurren was created.

I love the depressing "bad end" version of this anime from the author of the "Victim Girls" hentai doujinshi. I think it was XRation or something.

I'm going to bed now.

Good luck, Kosh.

>>6946088

What? No. The story has plenty of meaning, that's why it works. How is it bland?

>>6946079

Simon's relationships with Kamina and Nia were a hundred times more interesting than anything in the Gaang, dude. Simon and Nia's relationship, for example, symbolizes many things and epitomizes several themes of this series. But it's also more than that. It's a romance--and a relationship in general--that makes them both better in so many ways. I'll explain in the next post.

>>6946020
>>6946044

Now see THERE. That shits interesting.

One of the things that bugs me is that a lot of this social commentary seems to be sprinkled on, and isn't really gone into detail. Its left open-ended. I liked how GitS wasn't afraid to do this, even if they went overboard at times.

I'm GUESSING maybe it gets elaborated more on in later episodes? Anyone wanna point out where it is/isn't?

>>6946094
>so when they saw Kamina using Gurren they thought to themselves "perhaps this guy can give us freedom". That's how Team Dai-Gurren was created.

THIS right here is what I think kills it for me.

I just don't buy people serously following Kamina, rather than either striking out on their own or finding more...less extreme leaders?

Honestly, more and more of this boils down to me just not enjoying the characters or being able to pull the stick out of my ass long enough to just roll with it.

But damnit, if people can get away with doing that with Superman, I can do it with Kamina.

>>6946134
>I'll explain in the next post.

Oh yeah, I am DEFINITELY going to bed. You're starting to sound like one of those guys my friends rescue me from at conventions.

>>6946113

XRation only does Ragnarok Online doujinshi. You're talking about FatalPulse. And his GL doujin was rather weak in terms of sex compared to Victim Girls 3 or 2. One one on one and without the usual meaty girls that make his works so delicious.

>>6946134

Let's think about their first meeting. Imagine you're Simon in that situation. Think about having lost what mattered most to you just a week earlier, the person who drove you to become who you are. Think about losing your faith in life, losing your belief that it's all worth it, and still feeling the driving need to be a hero even though you have no idea how and then opening a box and finding someone who takes the belief that it's all worth it as a matter of course. Someone who delights in the most ordinary of things in the darkest of times. Who is charmed by you just as you are, regardless of whether you're a hero or not. In fact, she doesn't even know what a hero is or why you should be one: she just knows that you're you, and that's enough. She looks into your eyes, and she smiles, and she wants you to be all right with all her heart.

Is it any wonder Simon believes in Nia?

And then there's Nia's feelings to consider here.

Mods don't even rank on equal footing with demi-gods

Wrong board? Check.

Shitty arguments from all sides about the "cleverness" of an anime? Check.

100+ posts that didn't go anywhere? Check.

Alright, I'm sageing this thread.